25.04.2022 15:39 - bearbeitet 25.04.2022 15:41
Aus gegebenen Anlass. Russland will die ADR´s aufkündigen. Was sagt die Comdirect dazu? Welche Möglichkeiten hat der Anleger?
https://www.adrbnymellon.com/files/al996040.pdf
Gelöst! Gzum hilfreichen Beitrag.
am 06.06.2022 14:54
das hoffe ich auch...denn es kann ja nicht sein das nur die aktiven oder stillen leser hier "eine LÖSUNG" erfahren, da sie gerade hier waren.
zig tausend andere sind beschäftigt, arbeiten in schichten oder wissen nichts von DIESEM chat...und würden dann "IRGENDWIE HINTEN HERUM AN DIE WAND LAUFEN".
ich denke und HOFFE die comdirect schreibt ALLE inhaber UNAUFGEFORDERT diesbezüglich FRISTGERECHT an.
am 06.06.2022 15:22
ja...vermutlich ein Praktikant, halbtags, weil ja noch Rückenschule und Yoga in der CoDi ist.
am 06.06.2022 21:38
Danke für den Hinweis auf das Schreiben, habe das bei mir in der Online-Postbox auch gefunden. Kam am 04.06.2022 (Samstag), d. h. 5 Werktage, um darauf reagieren zu können.
Ein Depot bei einer russischen Bank kann ich weiterhin nicht eröffnen, schon gar nicht in dieser Zeit. Für ein seriöses Depot ist u.a. ein Identifikationsverfahren nötig. Das wird, wenn man sich außerhalb der Russischen Föderation aufhält, schwierig. Falls jemand konkrete Tipps hat, wie man das bis zum 13. dennoch machen könnte, bitte posten.
Die Sberbank hatte eine Lösung für ausländische ADR-Inhaber angeboten, Instruktionen siehe hier:
https://www.sberbank.com/investor-relations/retail-shareholder-information/faq/9002?question=33764
Klickt man sich durch die Formulare, heißt es dort aber, dass Aufträge zur Aufbewahrung auf einem Typ C- Konto bis zum 27.05.2022, 18 Uhr entgegengenommen wurden.
Ich hoffe weiterhin, dass die ADR bzw. später die (zwangs?-) umgewandelten Aktien durch JP Morgan nicht zwangsverkauft werden, auch nach dem 16.06. nicht bzw. nicht bei erstbester Möglichkeit (das ist nur ein Recht, mehr nicht).
Mit Wert meine ich den Marktwert der Aktien (RU 0009029540) zum Verkaufszeitpunkt, abzüglich der Gebühren für die Umwandlung der ADR (US80585Y3080) in diese Aktien. Aktuell beträgt der Wert des ADR ohne Umwandlungsgebühren z.B. ca. 7,2 Euro (4 Aktien pro ADR, 118,78 Rubel je Aktie an der MOEX, umgerechnet zum aktuellen Rubelpreis).
Wenn man letztendlich nur Centbeträge erhält, weiß man, dass man betrogen wurde und jemand, der die Differenz (nach irgendwelchen intransparenten OTC-Geschäften, undurchsichtigen Veräußerungsketten und windigen Begründungen) erhält, davon profitiert hat. Der Vorgang würde dann die Justiz beschäftigen und im worst case wäre das auch ein Fall für die Staatsanwaltschaft und Aufsichtsbehörden. Ich hoffe, das bleibt uns allen erspart - befürchte aber, dass das genauso kommen wird.
am 06.06.2022 23:15
Unglaublich. Ich glaube die Codi hat wohl tatsächlich keine Lust darauf die berühmte "Extra-Meile" zu laufen um uns zu helfen, sodass wir unsere Aktien sicher umgetauscht und irgendwo aufbewahrt kriegen, also den "Rundum-Sorglos-Service". Echt Schade, zumindest offener und ehrlicher hätte man das kommunizieren können! Insbesondere diese versteckten Anspielungen (nach dem Motto "man arbeitet im Hintergrund tatkräftig an Lösungen") haben unnötige Hoffungen geweckt! Aber jetzt heißt es dann wohl für die Anleger Eigeninitivative zeigen?!
An alle anderen: Was ist der nächste Step? Eröffnen wir uns jetzt alle in Eigenregie selber ein Konto bspw. bei der Gazprom Bank? Youtube Videoanleitungen gibt es ja genügend dazu.
am 06.06.2022 23:33
Die Gazprombank hat schon vor Monaten folgende Anweisung detailliert veröffentlicht:
Liebe comdirect wieso sucht ihr einen Weg, wenn es diesen schon gibt?
Announcement for the attention of the holders of the depositary receipts issued
for PJSC Gazprom shares
Dear DR Holder,
On 16 April 2022, Federal Law No. 114-FZ was enacted providing that with effect
from 27 April 2022:
1) any circulation of depositary receipts representing shares in PJSC Gazprom (the
"DRs" and "Shares", respectively) outside of the Russian Federation shall be
terminated;
2) no DR holder shall have voting rights or receive any dividends;
3) the right to receive Shares upon DR conversion may be exercised only by a DR
holder that has this status as of 27 April 2022.
On 29 April 2022, PJSC Gazprom submitted an instruction to The Bank of New
York Mellon to terminate the Deposit Agreement and close the DR Programmes.
Therefore, you are hereby notified of the procedure for conversion of the DRs
and provision of the Shares to DR holders hat had their status as of 27 April 2022.
In order to arrange for the DR conversion into Shares we suggest that you decide
on your further actions taking into account the following options.
Upon surrendering the DRs for conversion, the Shares may be credited to your
account (the "Account"1)
1) opened with a foreign depositary acting as a foreign nominee and holding a
securities account at a Russian depositary
or
2) opened with a Russian depositary
Please be informed that if your securities account is held with a foreign depositary
acting as a foreign nominee and holding a securities account with a Russian depositary,
your presence, or the presence of your representative acting under a power of attorney,
in the Russian Federation, including for the purposes of your identification under
1 If you do not have an account to receive the Shares, you should first (prior to the conversion) open such an account with
any Russian depositary or with a foreign depositary acting as a foreign nominee and holding a securities account at a
Russian depositary.
2
Federal Law of the Russian Federation No. 115-FZ dated 07 August 2001 "On
Counteraction to Legalization (Laundering) of Proceeds of Crime and Terrorist
Financing" (the "Russian AML/CFT Law"), concluding an agreement, or making a
transaction through the securities account, IS NOT REQUIRED.
In order to convert your DRs into the Shares you will need to perform the following
actions:
Step 1. Contact your broker or the depositary maintaining records with respect to
your DRs, and initiate the procedure to de-register your DRs and transfer the same to
the following account with the Depository Trust Company (DTС):
Participant No.: 2504
Account No.: 016201
Operation type: FOP
Step 2. Send to BNY Mellon an application to convert the DRs (the
"TRANSMITTAL LETTER") in .pdf format, as well as the completed electronic
certification form (the Depositary Receipt Cancellation form is attached hereto), to the
email address DRsettlements@bnymellon.com.
For up-to-date information from BNY Mellon as the DR Issuer, please visit the
website at https://www.adrbnymellon.com/ , follow the section “Directory – DRs
by Country – Russia”
Settlement Option 1: to receive the Shares on an account with any Russian
depositary or with a foreign depositary acting as a foreign nominee and holding a
securities account at a Russian depositary, please complete the TRANSMITTAL
LETTER
Settlement Option 2: receiving the Shares on a securities account with the
Gazprombank depositary
Gazprombank acts as the Custodian under the Custody Agreement with BNY
Mellon concluded as part of PJSC Gazprom’s DR Programme. To receive shares on
the holder’s securities account opened with Gazprombank’s depositary, please
complete the TRANSMITTAL LETTER
Step 3. Send the instruction to accept the Shares to the Russian or foreign depositary
where you have the account to maintain record of the Shares.
If you choose Settlement Option 1, please specify in the instruction to accept the
Shares the reference number indicated in the settlement details (your depositary should
provide it to you).
3
If you do not have an account to receive the Shares, Gazprombank
(www.gazprombank.ru/en) acting as the Custodian under the Custody Agreement with
BNY Mellon concluded as part of the DR Programme in accordance with the resolution
of the Bank of Russia Board of Directors dated 29 April 2022 offers DR holders who
are non-residents of the Russian Federation to open a Type “C” securities account for
receiving the Shares and a bank account Type “C” for crediting dividends paid on the
Shares, following a simplified procedure.
To open a securities account, DR-holder being non-resident of the Russian
Federation need to complete a client application in English (the “client application”)
(the client application form – an individual – a foreign national or a stateless person
and the client application form – a legal entity, a foreign entity without establishing a
legal entity are attached hereto).
After completing the client application, you should sign it with a ballpoint pen, scan
or photograph it and send the scanned copy or the photograph of the completed and
signed client application to the following email address: depo@gazprombank.ru.
After the client application is accepted, you will have a Type “C” securities owner
account for maintaining record of the Shares and a Type “C” bank account for crediting
dividends paid on the Shares. The details of the Type “C” securities account and the
Type “C” bank account opened with Gazprombank will be sent to the email address
specified by you in the client application within 3 business days from the date of their
opening.
You should enter the details sent to you for the transfer of the Shares in the
TRANSMITTAL LETTER and initiate the conversion of DRs into Shares under
Settlement Option 2.
The regime for the securities account and bank account opened by you was
established by resolution of the Bank of Russia Board of Directors dated 29 April 2022
and provides for a limited list of crediting/debiting operations with securities and
money.
Please be informed that until you undergo identification in accordance with the
Russian AML/CFT Law, certain operations in such accounts will be restricted,
including debiting and crediting transactions. Other securities can be credited to this
account only after identification in accordance with the requirements of the Legislation
of the Russian Federation on AML/CFT.
You or your representative acting under a power of attorney will need to come to
Gazprombank's office to provide documents for identification in accordance with the
Russian AML/CFT Law and sign the necessary agreements.
You can find the list of required documents on Gazprombank's website in the
Depository Services section
(https://www.gazprombank.ru/en/documents_and_tariffs/?fs=3005#1309) or receive it
by writing to or calling Gazprombank using the contact details below.
4
For addresses and telephone numbers of the Bank's offices providing depository
services to individuals, please visit the website www.gazprombank.ru in the
Depository Services section or call the centralised information service:
+7 495 913 7474, 8 800 100 0701 (toll-free in Russia).
The office for legal entities is located at: 9, 2nd Verkhny Mikhaylovsky Drive,
Bld. 11, Moscow.
CONTACT DETAILS FOR ANY FEEDBACK SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO
TRANSFER THE SHARES TO THE GAZPROMBANK DEPOSITARY:
Dedicated email address: depo@gazprombank.ru
Multichannel telephone: +7 (495) 913-74-74
06.06.2022 23:35 - bearbeitet 06.06.2022 23:38
Die Gazprombank hat schon vor Monaten folgende Anweisung detailliert veröffentlicht:
Liebe comdirect wieso sucht ihr einen Weg, wenn es diesen schon gibt?
Announcement for the attention of the holders of the depositary receipts issued
for PJSC Gazprom shares
Dear DR Holder,
On 16 April 2022, Federal Law No. 114-FZ was enacted providing that with effect
from 27 April 2022:
1) any circulation of depositary receipts representing shares in PJSC Gazprom (the
"DRs" and "Shares", respectively) outside of the Russian Federation shall be
terminated;
2) no DR holder shall have voting rights or receive any dividends;
3) the right to receive Shares upon DR conversion may be exercised only by a DR
holder that has this status as of 27 April 2022.
On 29 April 2022, PJSC Gazprom submitted an instruction to The Bank of New
York Mellon to terminate the Deposit Agreement and close the DR Programmes.
Therefore, you are hereby notified of the procedure for conversion of the DRs
and provision of the Shares to DR holders hat had their status as of 27 April 2022.
In order to arrange for the DR conversion into Shares we suggest that you decide
on your further actions taking into account the following options.
Upon surrendering the DRs for conversion, the Shares may be credited to your
account (the "Account"1)
1) opened with a foreign depositary acting as a foreign nominee and holding a
securities account at a Russian depositary
or
2) opened with a Russian depositary
Please be informed that if your securities account is held with a foreign depositary
acting as a foreign nominee and holding a securities account with a Russian depositary,
your presence, or the presence of your representative acting under a power of attorney,
in the Russian Federation, including for the purposes of your identification under
1 If you do not have an account to receive the Shares, you should first (prior to the conversion) open such an account with
any Russian depositary or with a foreign depositary acting as a foreign nominee and holding a securities account at a
Russian depositary.
2
Federal Law of the Russian Federation No. 115-FZ dated 07 August 2001 "On
Counteraction to Legalization (Laundering) of Proceeds of Crime and Terrorist
Financing" (the "Russian AML/CFT Law"), concluding an agreement, or making a
transaction through the securities account, IS NOT REQUIRED.
In order to convert your DRs into the Shares you will need to perform the following
actions:
Step 1. Contact your broker or the depositary maintaining records with respect to
your DRs, and initiate the procedure to de-register your DRs and transfer the same to
the following account with the Depository Trust Company (DTС):
Participant No.: 2504
Account No.: 016201
Operation type: FOP
Step 2. Send to BNY Mellon an application to convert the DRs (the
"TRANSMITTAL LETTER") in .pdf format, as well as the completed electronic
certification form (the Depositary Receipt Cancellation form is attached hereto), to the
email address DRsettlements@bnymellon.com.
For up-to-date information from BNY Mellon as the DR Issuer, please visit the
website at https://www.adrbnymellon.com/ , follow the section “Directory – DRs
by Country – Russia”
Settlement Option 1: to receive the Shares on an account with any Russian
depositary or with a foreign depositary acting as a foreign nominee and holding a
securities account at a Russian depositary, please complete the TRANSMITTAL
LETTER
Settlement Option 2: receiving the Shares on a securities account with the
Gazprombank depositary
Gazprombank acts as the Custodian under the Custody Agreement with BNY
Mellon concluded as part of PJSC Gazprom’s DR Programme. To receive shares on
the holder’s securities account opened with Gazprombank’s depositary, please
complete the TRANSMITTAL LETTER
Step 3. Send the instruction to accept the Shares to the Russian or foreign depositary
where you have the account to maintain record of the Shares.
If you choose Settlement Option 1, please specify in the instruction to accept the
Shares the reference number indicated in the settlement details (your depositary should
provide it to you).
3
If you do not have an account to receive the Shares, Gazprombank
(www.gazprombank.ru/en) acting as the Custodian under the Custody Agreement with
BNY Mellon concluded as part of the DR Programme in accordance with the resolution
of the Bank of Russia Board of Directors dated 29 April 2022 offers DR holders who
are non-residents of the Russian Federation to open a Type “C” securities account for
receiving the Shares and a bank account Type “C” for crediting dividends paid on the
Shares, following a simplified procedure.
To open a securities account, DR-holder being non-resident of the Russian
Federation need to complete a client application in English (the “client application”)
(the client application form – an individual – a foreign national or a stateless person
and the client application form – a legal entity, a foreign entity without establishing a
legal entity are attached hereto).
After completing the client application, you should sign it with a ballpoint pen, scan
or photograph it and send the scanned copy or the photograph of the completed and
signed client application to the following email address: depo@gazprombank.ru.
After the client application is accepted, you will have a Type “C” securities owner
account for maintaining record of the Shares and a Type “C” bank account for crediting
dividends paid on the Shares. The details of the Type “C” securities account and the
Type “C” bank account opened with Gazprombank will be sent to the email address
specified by you in the client application within 3 business days from the date of their
opening.
You should enter the details sent to you for the transfer of the Shares in the
TRANSMITTAL LETTER and initiate the conversion of DRs into Shares under
Settlement Option 2.
The regime for the securities account and bank account opened by you was
established by resolution of the Bank of Russia Board of Directors dated 29 April 2022
and provides for a limited list of crediting/debiting operations with securities and
money.
Please be informed that until you undergo identification in accordance with the
Russian AML/CFT Law, certain operations in such accounts will be restricted,
including debiting and crediting transactions. Other securities can be credited to this
account only after identification in accordance with the requirements of the Legislation
of the Russian Federation on AML/CFT.
You or your representative acting under a power of attorney will need to come to
Gazprombank's office to provide documents for identification in accordance with the
Russian AML/CFT Law and sign the necessary agreements.
You can find the list of required documents on Gazprombank's website in the
Depository Services section
(https://www.gazprombank.ru/en/documents_and_tariffs/?fs=3005#1309) or receive it
by writing to or calling Gazprombank using the contact details below.
4
For addresses and telephone numbers of the Bank's offices providing depository
services to individuals, please visit the website www.gazprombank.ru in the
Depository Services section or call the centralised information service:
+7 495 913 7474, 8 800 100 0701 (toll-free in Russia).
The office for legal entities is located at: 9, 2nd Verkhny Mikhaylovsky Drive,
Bld. 11, Moscow.
CONTACT DETAILS FOR ANY FEEDBACK SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO
TRANSFER THE SHARES TO THE GAZPROMBANK DEPOSITARY:
Dedicated email address: depo@gazprombank.ru
Multichannel telephone: +7 (495) 913-74-74
Announcement for the attention of the holders of the depositary receipts issued
for PJSC Gazprom shares
06.06.2022 23:51 - bearbeitet 07.06.2022 00:28
06.06.2022 23:51 - bearbeitet 07.06.2022 00:28
Laut dem youtube-video von weiter oben würde die Gazprom-Bank auch nur Gazprom-Aktien einlagern. Sberbank usw. ginge nicht bzw. nur bei einem Upgrade, was Anwesenheit in Russland oder ein kompliziertes Vollmacht-Verfahren erfordere.
Es ist für uns Kleinanleger mit mehreren Aktien auch kaum praktikabel, unterschiedliche C-Konten bei unterschiedlichen russischen Banken zu eröffnen. Zudem ist für mich nicht klar, wie ich später überhaupt an die Aktien rankomme, auch gibt es dann weitere Komplikationen mit der Steuer usw. Hier hätte es einer Lösung der Bank/ des Brokers bedurft. Sollte ich mitbekomme, dass das eine andere Bank gelöst hat, werde ich dahin wechseln, was schade ist, weil ich schon über 20 Jahre bei der Comdirect bin. Wenn aber eine Bank aktuelle Herausforderungen nicht lösen kann/will, ist es an der Zeit zu wechseln.
Die Aufkündigung des ADR-Programms der Sberbank hatte JP Morgan übrigens schon am 16. Mai veröffentlicht. Mit Schreiben vom 17.05.2022 informierte mich die Comdirect über die allgemeine Situation (das Schreiben haben hier viele erhalten) und forderte darin auf, von der Einreichung von Umtauschaufträgen abzusehen. Hätte man uns die nunmehr versendete Info umgehend erteilt, so hätten wir vielleicht noch das Angebot der Sberbank mit dem C-Konto rechtzeitig annehmen können.
am 07.06.2022 04:17
Ich habe noch kein Schreiben bekommen aber für mich ist es nicht Praktikabel. Werde sehen welche Bank das rennen macht.
am 07.06.2022 07:06
Die Sache mit der Gazprombank hat nur einen kleinen Haken. Es funktioniert nicht. Ich hatte das bereits vor 4 Wochen versucht ein Depot und Typ c Konto dort zu eröffnen und habe Nachricht von denen erhalten dass es nicht geht( bzw. Es geht, aber dazu muss ich persönlich nach Russland) ! Deshalb bin ich zum Anwalt.
am 07.06.2022 07:25
Moin,
das scheint wirklich mehr als peinlich für die comdirect.
Es ist schade, wie sich eine Bank mit solch kurzen Reaktionsfristen ins Aus schießt.
Hast du genau den Weg, den die Gazprom Bank beschreibt, gewählt?